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Almost beat Microsoft to the Punch with this, lol

...almost ;-;

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The only thing its lacking is categories and full screen mode ;')

On another note to prevent CC order call it "StartEnvi"

Categories are present, albeit lacking headers and drag-rearrangement capabilities, and fullscreen mode is in the works. Expect a Windows 8.1-style Start Screen in the future, too.
EDIT: Headers exist now.



I probably would've changed the name by now if I weren't so painfully attached to the name Start9.
Also...why "StartEnvi"...?

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NICE Thanks for adding feature request! Also I figured something that didn't sound generic. Anyone say a word with a number in front but your project deserves to stand out from all the generic start menu clones because your startmenu will actually do more than even some of the paid competitors like StartIsBack and Start10 which almost offer the most generic features - I believe you could honestly have the best startmenu projects I have seen yet.

" I believe you could honestly have the best startmenu projects I have seen yet."
I just want to clarify that Splitwirez Is not the author of classic shell (Ivo Beltchev/Ivo Is the developer behind classic shell), just an active member using classic shell as inspiration for a really cool start menu
(unless you just mean you like his skins too )

Assuming you mean the headers...those were already on my to-do list, I just figured this would be a good time to get them in. That having been said, I am open to suggestions, within reason.



...huh. Well if anyone can come up with a name that rolls off the tongue as smoothly as Start9, I'm all ears. Provided I can convince myself to actually do anything, that is.
(I just have a really bad habit of getting really attached to things, k? ;-; )



>Power8
>StartMenu8
>Start10
They're all named after the corresponding version of Windows...but there is no Windows 9 :>



O.o



O.o



Yeah, of course Classic Shell is Ivo's...sorry if that got mixed up, I thought that compliment was directed towards Start9 .-.
Wait...which menu application was it directed at? .-.



xd

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I just saw ' start menu projects' (plural) and wanted to clear anything up

...yeah I completely missed that ._.

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Error I was complimenting classic shell and start9 I figure they are both doing things slightly differently.

Wait, what? Live tiles? I thought there was no api for that. I think that was one of the reasons that tiles were not added to classic shell. Although there are other ways to implement tiles.

Back on topic. Live tiles, that's awesome. Good work Splitwirez. =)

Yes, Live Tiles.



Certainly none Documented. I don't know the whereabouts of any related undocumented APIs, either.



Idk, possibly. (although Ivo has used other Undocumented APIs for Classic Shell, e.g. SetWindowCompositionAttribute...then again, that one's location)



True, as is the case with Start9...all I did was look at Microsoft's documentation for creating tiles for WinRT Apps and cross-reference that with the files I ripped from some of the stock Windows 8 Apps. Surprisingly, it's mostly just XML.
That having been said, getting this working reliably could be tricky, as the XML files vary somewhat between Apps. I'm still optimistic about it, though.



Thanks ^-^

Also...

CALL RIGHT NOW AND YOU'LL RECEIVE THIS TILE SIDEBAR ABSOLUTELY FREE!!!1!!1!!111!!!!
(Don't actually call me...you're all getting the Sidebar regardless and also HOW DID YOU GET MY PHONE NUMBER!??!)

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Obligatory Classic Theme thingy, I guess :P

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Nice. That's cool that you found a way to make live-tiles. I didn't know that Ivo included undocumented features into classicshell.

XML files might make it easier on you.

You're always welcome ^.^

Tile sidebar? I'm unsure what this is. xD

Apparently I forgot to post the actual screenshot...here it is:

It's the thing on the right

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Oh. I see now. Good work. =)

Is there a beta download for this, or is it to be released when finished? A quick Googling of "Start9" revealed some sort of retro gaming service, lol

No downloads yet, it'll be out...when it's ready.

And yeah, that Google search is going to be a bit of an uphill climb to get onto, lol

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Add "Start9" to every picture name that's uploaded.
Then the search bots will index them, and bump them up higher with each view?

where to download Start9 ?

Its currently not out, and in a beta/invite-only stage. Sorry.

*points at OP*

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yes

Out of curiosity: Is this a completely new program or is it based on Classic Shell code?

It's new, although I'd hardly be surprised if we ended up learning a fair bit from Classic Shell's source code.

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Cool, looking forward to it

This Taskbar was built using Start9, and has no ties to Explorer. it's a WIP, obviously, but nonetheless, it's progress.

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is Start9 tested on Windows 7 ?

Start9 had a website too!

A taskbar without explorer? That's excellent work. ^_^

Can I be one Insider?

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[before seeing Win8 Interface]
YEAHHH! MICROSOFT DECIDED TO PUT TILES ON WINDOWS 8!
[after seeing Win8 Interface]
TILES ARE HORRIBLE! I NEED CLASSIC SHELL NOW!!!!
I am a and a Classic shell tester. I use Windows 7 Professional RTM 32-bit.

:OD


That post is old, the server's pubic. The invite link is on our website, which can be found in the OP.

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That's so cool that you finally released start 9. I like the website, I'll be joining the discord with my phone. Cheers. =)

Just messing around with different layouts...

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Yes, this is (the beginning of) what you think it is.

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Sorry Splitwirez, but after all this teasing, I begin to be confused...
Does your Start9 also modify Windows themes?

...and I also suppose the Taskbar.

It's a modular shell. It doesn't modify Themes though.

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Well, then I'll have to "be content" to only change start menu.

Sure, whatever you please.

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Unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to play with your creation for a while, but I'll keep an eye on its development.

I don't remember if I've already asked you before, does it "only" changes the style of the start menu, or it's possible to modify the shape/position of the elements?

Depends on your selection of Modules.

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Now it's starting to get more interesting...

Just another question: given it's in an early state, how is it supposed to create or modify a skin?

^-^


...I'm sorry...what exactly are you asking? I don't quite understand the question...

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It's simply a curiosity...
With Classic Shell at least you need Resource Hacker to edit or create a skin;
With other software you can use Notepad, Notepad++ and so on (ok, for Rainmeter at least!

With Start9, is there's a way to edit or create a new skin?

Yes

Oh... now I've too much information...

I'm not personally caught up on the project enough to elaborate. (since it has been 'recoded from scratch' twice since I have even used it )
but back then there was some level of skinning support and this page:
https://startnine.github.io/news.html
seems to allude to the fact that skinning is core to the project (probably more-so than in classic shell, where most people are expected to just tweak the settings.. or use it for an old 'familiar' look)
As for exactly how skinning will take place in start9's current iteration, I'm sure splitwirez can elaborate.
Personally I imagine something akin to rainmeter, except built around the entire system UI, and not just desktop widgets

Thanks Jcee, now I have enough information.

I'm asking, just because my intention is to eventually create the start menu I'm thinking of building, but, hoping Ivo could forgive me, I'm not comfortable with Resource Hacker and the way to build skins for Classic Shell.