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Author:  Gaurav [ Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:01 am ]
Post subject:  Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs Windows 10 and others

Every effort is made to make sure this comparison is accurate, relevant and up-to-date. If you feel it's incorrect, feel free to discuss what below. It may just be that you do not understand some feature.
Feature
Classic Shell’s Start Menu
Windows 7 Start Menu
Windows 8/8.1 Start Screen
StartIsBack/+/++
Stardock Start8/Start10
Windows 10 Start
Supported operating system
Windows 7/8/8.1/Vista
Windows 7
Windows 8/8.1
Windows 8+
Windows 8+
Windows 10
Cost
Free
Free (Integrated)
Free (Integrated)
$.2.99+ more for additional licenses
$.4.99+ more for additional licenses
Free (Integrated)
All Programs Style
Windows 9x/2000, XP style, Windows 7 style
Windows 7 style
Screen full of items with no hierarchy
Windows 7 style, XP style
Windows 7 style
Windows 7 style
Access folder contents with submenus
Yes
Yes
-
Yes
Yes
-
Number of items that can be shown without scrolling
Few in Windows 7 style, many in XP style multiple columns
Few
Fewer than XP multi columns, but more than Windows 7
Few in Windows 7 style, many in XP style multiple columns
Few
Few
A-Z list is free of clutter (Uninstall, ReadMe, Help etc)
Yes
Yes
No, All apps view is cluttered with hardly ever used shortcuts
Yes
Yes
Yes
Tweaks for All Programs list
Open automatically, Focus on All Programs automatically, Hide Metro apps, Show folders first, Jump to app by typing first letter
Jump to app by typing first letter
-
Show folders first, jump to app by typing first letter
Jump to app by typing first letter
Jump to app by clicking or tapping first letter
Yes
-
-
Yes
Yes
-
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Configure mouse clicks
Left click + modifier keys, right click, middle click, hover, additional hotkeys
-
-
Left click + modifier keys only
Left click + modifier keys only
-
Configure Windows key
Yes, Win key+modifier keys, act differently depending on Desktop or Metro
-
-
Yes, Win key+modifier keys, press and hold Win key
Yes, Win key+modifier keys, act differently depending on Desktop or Metro, press and hold Win key
-
Search Start menu's own settings
Yes
-
-
-
-
Yes
Start without background service
Yes
Yes (integrated into Explorer.exe)
Yes (integrated into Explorer.exe)
Yes
Yes but not by default
Yes (integrated into Explorer.exe)
Pin apps, websites, folders and drives
Per-user and for all users
Per-user only
Per-user only
Per-user only
Per-user and for all users
Per-user
Items organized by
Folders, Custom items & submenus
Folders
Groups
Folders and Custom items
Folders and Custom items
Groups
Most used programs
Yes
Yes
Yes (Windows 8.1 only)
Yes
Yes
Yes
Recently used items
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Sort recent/frequent list by name or descending order
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Jumplists
Yes
Yes
-
Yes
Yes
Yes
Adjust width and height
Yes
-
-
-
-
Yes
Customizable Shutdown menu
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Power actions accessible over Remote Desktop
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Rearrange items by drag and drop
Yes
Yes
Yes (but only in Tiles View, not in Apps View)
Partially
-
Main menu right area only
Drag items from outside to menu to pin, drag items out from the menu
Yes
Yes
-
Yes
Yes
-
Sort recent documents
Name, file extension or date
Name
-
Name
Name
-
Sort once
Yes
-
-
Yes
-
-
Keep always sorted
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Highlight new programs
Yes, customizable for how long
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Install Windows updates on shutdown
Yes
Yes
Install updates and restart
Yes
-
No control over updates
Set submenu delay
Yes
OS settings in Registry
-
OS settings in Registry
OS settings in Registry
-
Set tooltip delay
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Icons in the second column
Yes
-
-
Glyphs in StartIsBack++ only
-
Yes
Multiple columns for submenus
Yes
-
-
Yes
-
-
Column width of submenus
Dynamic so more columns fit
-
-
Width of all columns is equal
-
-
Customize user picture and its command
Yes
Picture only
Picture only
Picture only
Picture only
Picture only
Pin folders as expanding menu
Yes, both left and right columns
-
-
Right column only
Yes, both left and right columns
-
Show Libraries as a combined submenu
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Show menu adjacent to vertical taskbar
Yes
-
-
Yes
Yes
Yes
Fast & fluid experience thanks to icon caching and search results caching
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Yes
Yes
-
Yes
Yes
-
Yes
Yes
When using Win+W only
Yes
-
Yes
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Yes
Yes
When using Win+F only
Yes
Yes
After clicking “My Stuff”
Yes (if added to search index)
Yes
-
Yes
Yes (if added to search index)
-
Open folders from index using search
Yes
Yes
-
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Search network shares added to Libraries
-
Yes
Yes
Yes
-
-
Yes
-
Limited tile sizes, small size hides app name
-
All Programs view can show large icons in Start10
Limited tile sizes, small size hides app name
Customize animations
Yes
-
Yes
-
-
-
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Yes, background color, more customization via skins
-
Background color and textures
Background color, more customization via themes
Background color and textures, more customization via skins
Background color only
Skinnable
-
-
OS visual styles and WindowBlinds
Yes, and OS visual styles and WindowBlinds
-
Customize Start button tooltip
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Disable hot corners on Windows 8
Yes
N/A
Partial
Yes
Yes
N/A
Taskbar customization features
Text color, background color & transparency, textures
Disable transparency and change color
Change color
Transparency, Skinning via msstyles
Transparency and textures
Change color
Customize menu item names
Yes
Yes (only for file system shortcuts)
Only before pinning
Yes
Yes
Only before pinning
Customize menu icon & tooltip
Yes
Yes (only for file system shortcuts)
Only before pinning
Yes (only for file system shortcuts)
Yes (only for file system shortcuts)
Only before pinning
Menu item positioning
Fully customizable
Limited
Limited
Limited
Limited
Limited
Custom DPI scaling
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Combine folders in one submenu
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Insert any command anywhere in the menu
Yes, both left and right columns
Only as pinned item in left column
Only as pinned item
Only as pinned item in left column
Only as pinned item in left column
-
Customizable menu sounds
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Yes
Yes
Limited
Yes
Yes
Limited
Start or exit the menu without Explorer restart
Yes
N/A as it is integrated
N/A as it is integrated
-
Yes
N/A as it is integrated
Separate Apps from Programs
Yes
N/A
Only in Apps View when it's sorted by Category
Yes
In Start10, not Start8
-
Multi-monitor support, per monitor DPI scaling
Yes, menu can open on monitor with mouse pointer
-
Yes
Yes
Yes
-
Default number of skins / styles / themes
7 skins in Classic style, 5 in Windows 7 style
-
-
4 styles
3-4 themes
-
Open several apps by holding down Shift
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Yes
-
-
-
Yes
-
Hide programs from the Frequent list
Once or permanently
Once
-
Permanently
Once
Permanently
Yes
-
-
-
-
Yes
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Settings reset, backup and restore
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Insert submenu items as buttons
Yes
-
-
-
-
Has tiles which are similar
Split button items (command+submenu)
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Hide file extensions for submenus
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Extended keyboard shortcuts like Explorer
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Keyboard accelerators
Yes
Yes
-
Yes
Yes
-
View tooltips upon mouse hover
Yes
Yes
Partial
Yes
Yes
Yes
Open any command or even a file as administrator
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Create folders or shortcuts inside menu without using Explorer
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Scroll items with mouse wheel
Yes, scrolling menus and program tree
Programs-tree only
Yes
Programs-tree only
Programs-tree only
Programs-tree only
Unmatched customization and usability for mouse+keyboard
Yes
-
-
-
-
-
Full right click actions available
Yes
Yes
-
Yes
Yes
-
Links with submenus to system locations
Yes
Yes
-
Yes
Yes
-
Ease of closing it with mouse
Click anywhere outside or Start button
Click anywhere outside or Start button
Must click on ‘Desktop’ tile or Start button
Click anywhere outside or Start button
Click anywhere outside or Start button
Click anywhere outside or Start button
Compact yet fully functional menu
Yes
Yes
-
Yes
Yes
-
Scales well for large number of apps
Yes
-
Yes
Yes
-
-
Live Tiles
-
-
Yes
-
-
Yes
Optimized for touch screen
Yes
-
Yes
-
-
Yes
Glass support
Yes
Yes
-
Yes
Start10
Yes
Match Start color with Taskbar
Yes
-
Yes
Yes
Yes
Uninstall Metro Apps
Yes
N/A
Yes
Yes
-
Only some
Move search box out of the way when touch keyboard is docked at the bottom
Yes
Touch keyboard can be docked at the top
Yes
-
-
Yes
Pin Metro Settings
Yes
-
-
-
-
Yes


If you are still not convinced, here are 15 reasons to use the Classic Shell Start Menu in Windows 10.

And 10 Ways to Customize Windows 10 With Classic Shell

Author:  JohnBurns [ Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How Classic Start Menu compares to the competition

Good comparison info. I've tried them all and am convinced Classic Start Menu is way above the rest for my preferences. Thanks. Will contribute again soon.

Author:  etiang [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs StartIsBack, Start8

Good comparison info. I've tried them all and am convinced Classic Start Menu is way above the rest for my preferences. Thanks. Will contribute again soon.
Very very good ClassicShell

Author:  Xenus98 [ Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs StartIsBack, Start8

I didn t even need to read that ! Just using it convinced it was the best !!! :)) :D

Author:  MenuPeak [ Mon May 19, 2014 4:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs StartIsBack, Start8

Nice comparison and Classic Shell excels. One thing I like with SiB is that it can keep only Apps on the Start Screen, removing all the clutter. Is that possible with CS?

Author:  Gaurav [ Mon May 19, 2014 8:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs StartIsBack, Start8

MenuPeak wrote:
Nice comparison and Classic Shell excels. One thing I like with SiB is that it can keep only Apps on the Start Screen, removing all the clutter. Is that possible with CS?

No that is not possible for the Apps view with Classic Shell as of now. But on Windows 8.1, the automatic pinning of desktop shortcuts to the Start screen Tiles view is gone anyway so you can keep only Metro apps pinned there. Better still, use the Start Menu to launch Modern apps. :) You can add an "Apps" item to the right column in Windows 7 style also from the Customize Start Menu tab in Settings.

Author:  MenuPeak [ Tue May 20, 2014 5:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs StartIsBack, Start8

Good news, thanks a lot GauravK. Didn't know this about 8.1.

Author:  theoneofgod [ Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs StartIsBack, Start8

Great comparison here. Tried them all but one thing that keeps me away from ClassicShell, such a small thing, but with the Windows 7 skin, the right panel with Control Panel etc doesn't look right, not enough width spacing compared to Windows 7 and SiB.

Author:  Gaurav [ Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs StartIsBack, Start8

theoneofgod wrote:
Great comparison here. Tried them all but one thing that keeps me away from ClassicShell, such a small thing, but with the Windows 7 skin, the right panel with Control Panel etc doesn't look right, not enough width spacing compared to Windows 7 and SiB.


The spacing is less because it can support a far greater number of items (system folders and important locations) in the right column, much more than the Windows 7 menu ever did.


But you can adjust the spacing yourself by simply modifying the skin and re-saving it. The parameters you might need to modify are Main2_text_padding and Main2_padding. The 4 values of each parameters are the number of pixels added around the element from the left/top/right/bottom of the menu.

Copy the Windows Aero.skin7 file to the Desktop, open it in Resource Hacker. Change the 'top' or 'bottom' (2nd and 4th) values of the above parameters and save the changes. Rename the skin and copy it back to C:\Program Files\Classic Shell\Skins and then switch to the modded skin from the Skin tab in Start Menu settings.

Author:  Brunni [ Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs StartIsBack, Start8

Hi,


As GauravK said, it is very simple to do this modification with the Resource Hacker utility, and I encourage you to try it. :) However I have attached a ready-made skin that makes buttons bigger, more like Windows 7 if you like. Screenshot :


Not sure it is exactly the same size as on Windows 7 though, I don't have a mean of comparison here. Enjoy!

Attachments:
File comment: Skin that enlarges the buttons in the right column.
Windows 8 me.skin7 [162 KiB]
Downloaded 4768 times

Author:  NoahNicholsFourm [ Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:27 am ]
Post subject:  Likins

I like Classic Shell's start menu

Author:  Gaurav [ Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs StartIsBack, Start8

I do see some improvements in the Windows 10 Start "menu":

1. Live Tiles with push notifications (like the Windows 8 Start screen). Tiles are colorful and graphical, tile sizes can be variable, some of them large, some of them small.

2. Overall, more space for pinning your items. (like the Windows 8 Start screen). It's not without tradeoffs though. The big compromise is all those super-important system folders with submenus have no place. The idea comes from mobile OSes like Android which tuck away all apps inside an App Drawer while you pin apps to the launcher's home screen which you use across multiple pages.


3. Pinned items can be organized into groups (like the Start screen). Again the compromise is that it took the place of important folders whose contents you needed to access easily and frequently.

4. In the All Programs list which is often long and requires you to vertically scroll, you now have the ability to jump to an app which is way up or down in the list without scrolling all the way. You can just click or tap on the A,B,C...Z letters. But then again if you had a physical keyboard, you could do that already. This feature comes straight from Windows Phone. You can do this with Classic Start Menu too if you tap the touch keyboard on the taskbar and tap a letter on it.

5. A handy "Recently installed" feature.

6. Apps can be uninstalled from the menu by right clicking. (The Windows 8 Start screen had this feature too). Most mobile app launchers also have it.

7. The Windows 10 menu can search EXE names to return shortcuts and do approximate string matching. Windows 8.1 also had this feature to type the EXE name and have the shortcut shown.


Do you see anything else which is an improvement over the Classic Start menu? Discuss it here: http://www.classicshell.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4995

The Start screen also had some interesting unique features like sorting apps by date installed and direct switching between multiple user accounts bypassing the logon screen.

Author:  mikemcking [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs Windows 10 and othe

In Windows 10, I do like the tiles appearing to the right of the Start Menu. I have tried Stardock10 and they offer three choices -- Windows 7, Windows 7 (with Windows 10 styling), and Windows 10 (with tiles).


I would like to have Windows 7 menus AND the Windows 10 tiles.

From the detailed comparison chart above, it appears that configuration is not available from anyone.....is that correct?

Author:  Jcee [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs Windows 10 and othe

It appears so, however it is possible that one of the above has updated since its been reviewed, or there is another product on the market. If you happen to find either to be the case, We would appreciate an update :P

Author:  Soran U Ali [ Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs Windows 10 and othe

this is a very good data..... well done

Author:  SpaceAnt [ Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs Windows 10 and othe

Hi all, I'm new here, have been through windows 8.1 and 10 without feeling the need for any classic start so far, but now i have tried it out a bit, it looks rock solid
and i must say it has much more functionalities that i thought it would, and it has an incorporated search kinda like the one that was supplied in windows 7, which is actually the only thing i was missing in 10. Because without cortana(it is not compatible with my regional settings and i do not want microsoft to own my stuff) windows 10 search box is so slow, and clumsy, it hardly works for me . I don't know if cortana would make the experience any better.

But now i have a dilemma, windows 10 has the best and most versatile styled start interface ever, and with the most shitty searchbox. On the other hand, classic shell has the best search box with the older windowsish interfaces ( that even with it's vast costumization can not match the speed at which i can access all my usual stuff in windows 10 start).

Gaurav had this to say about Windows 10 interface: "The only improvement I see in the Windows 10 menu is being able to pin items in the right side area and organize them into groups."
But this is not just some random feature, it is the best thing ever in my humble opinion. you can cover your entire screen with easily visible and accessible icons organized the way you want, kinda like another desktop, but much better, on the press of a single button.

Not telling the autor that he must do this or that, just wanted to voice my opinion about something that i believe is not possible but should be, which is having the new windows 10 start menu, with the practical cs search box.

Keep up the good work, and have a nice day everyone :P.

Author:  Gaurav [ Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs Windows 10 and othe

Yes I agree it's a nice improvement. It's like having an organized folder/desktop inside the Start Menu, and because it takes advantage of the screen horizontally and has grouping, it makes it easier to pin and access the stuff you need quickly. It's not perfect - for example, the Windows 10 Start Menu pin area has poor keyboard usability and no features to sort by name, only manual rearranging, but overall it gives a lot more space for pinning compared to earlier menu incarnations.

In the future, if Ivo agrees it's an improvement, he can certainly extend the current menu styles to incorporate pinning items to the main menu in an expanded area.

Author:  motan [ Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs Windows 10 and othe

Useful comparison to learn the custom features of Classic Shell, thanks..

Author:  Oversizer [ Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs Windows 10 and othe

:lol: I Get it now

Author:  myaz [ Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs Windows 10 and othe

Love it.

Author:  Splitwirez [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs Windows 10 and othe

This was mistakenly (?) posted in the "Start Menu Skins" subforum:
mortn99 wrote:
Knocks the original Win 10 Start Menu out of the park!

...I can only assume it was intended for this one .-.

Author:  xbliss [ Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Compare Start Menus:Classic Shell vs Windows 10 and othe

What I'd really like is some of the features of Start Menu X

PS: Especially the Virtual Folders/ Categories where we can organize the HUGE BUNCH of Programs via Specific Categories, without actually disturbing the underlying Windows info. Just a layer/ netting on top.

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